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03/20/07 6:56am PDT

Unreimbursed Employee Expenses

I have a start-up one-man S-Corp that came to me in early March to file returns. There was a small loss and the shareholder didn't take any wages or distributions or reimbursements of any kind. My question: can he claim unreimbursed employee expenses on Schedule A (home office & mileage) for a zero-wage job? I understand this is not the most tax-efficient option, but options are limited two months after year-end! Any guidance would be appreciated!

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03/20/07 8:36am PDT

I usually put the unreimbursed expenses into a shareholder loan acct of the 1120s.

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These are not 1040 sched a expenses, but rather s corp expenses.

Does he have enough basis for the loss? If not it gets carried fwd.

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03/20/07 12:47pm PDT

Well, long-term I was planning to do the home office and business use of personal vehicle on a reimbursement/accountable plan. He didn't have the basis to take the extra expenses this year, and he didn't tell me how much of them there were until after we got the 1120S in the mail anyway.

Technically, these can be reimburseable business expenses, but they can also be unreimbursed employee expenses, too, right?? My real question is whether unreimbursed employee expenses can exist for a zero-wage job.

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03/20/07 1:18pm PDT

He's not an employee w/o a salary.

These are actually expenses of the business.Amend the 1120s.

There is a loss anyway. If the t/p doesn't have enough basis to deduct the loss, it gets carried forward until there is basis.

The correct j/e for the s corp is:

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The shareholder loan acct is counted toward basis, even though it's a l/t liab.

CORP EXPENSES DO NOT BELONG ON THE PERSONAL TAX RETURN. THEY BELONG ON THE CORP TAX RETURN, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME.AMEND THE 1120S.

You can't have it both ways.

It's very important for the shareholder of an s corp to have a salary, for a varitiey of matters.

If there is an accountable reimbursement plan, then an expense report w/b submitted to the s corp for payment and then reimbursed.

I assume the s corp did not pay any se health ins!If it did that belongs on a W-2.

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I understand your point about the salary. There was nothing paid out on behalf of the shareholder, thank goodness, as there were less than $500 gross revenues. We're talking a very small star-up.

If the company has no fixed busines location other than a corner of this guy's basement, though, I don't see how the home office has to be business expenses. It is simply a necessary expense for the employee to properly perform their duties. Even with the vehicle mileage, I know of lots of companies that expect their employees to use their vehicle with no reimbursement ... why should it be different just because this guy also happens to be the sole shareholder?

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Slavery is against the law.

You can't have employee expenses if you are not an employee!

In order to be an employee, you must have a salary!

You can't have it both ways.

These expenses s/b reimbursed by the corp, thus belong on the corp return. Amend the corp return.

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hi and nice to meet you. in answer to your question a 100% shareholder of an s corp cannot deduct unreimbursed employee expenses on a sched. A or any where else. it must be done as an adjustment to basis. a 50% shareholder of an s corp may deduct those expenses as a tier II sched. A deduction.(subject to 2% agi limitation) a partner in a partnership can deduct those expenses dollar for dollar on the sched. E! hope this helps you. PS a corporate resolution must be made in the minutes book to elect the first two senarios rather than the corp. deducting the expenses.

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hi and nice to meet you. in answer to your question a 100% shareholder of an s corp cannot deduct unreimbursed employee expenses on a sched. A or any where else. it must be done as an adjustment to basis. a 50% shareholder of an s corp may deduct those expenses as a tier II sched. A deduction.(subject to 2% agi limitation) a partner in a partnership can deduct those expenses dollar for dollar on the sched. E! hope this helps you. PS a corporate resolution must be made in the minutes book to elect the first two senarios rather than the corp. deducting the expenses

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Dear DF,

Thank you so much for your post. I have had several questions on this issue and have not been able to find any authority. Do you have a reference? Also, if a 100% SH of his S Corp is also an employee in the same S Corp and receives a industry supported wage, can his unreimbursed expenses be classified as a loan to him and increase his basis, or because he is a employee, they have to go on F2106 of the 1040 as non reimbursed employee expenses? Please advise as my client may have to amend due to this issue and if you have any suggestions of statutes or court cases to look at.

Thank you again.

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Hello ... has this been resolved satisfactorily? I have a client who is a 2% shareholder in an S-Corp and has unreimbursed expenses and have struggled with how to account for them. Any ideas from this post?

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