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No-Income Business?

TP pays big bucks for a windmill so they can sell electricity to the local power company. The previous CPA puts it all on a Schedule C in year one. In year two, we continue to depreciate the big windmill even though power generation income was under $500, resulting in a second year of Sch C loss. Now we're looking at year three, in which the windmill was under repair for most of the year and produced no income (power was used by the TP, but no excess power was sold to utility co). So now we're looking at a third year of Sch C loss. Are we still in our rights to call this a Sch C business? For all we know, the thing will generate lots of income next year if it's windy and working! If not a Sch C because no income, then what happens to the depreciation? It hasn't been abandoned and it isn't permanently out of service.Any help ... or cites ... would be immensely appreciated!

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It sounds as if the individual went into business to make a profit. otherwise why would they outlay for a windmill. The losses from hobbies are not deductible under the hobby loss rules Reg1.183-4. Hobbies are considered to be an activity not engaged in for profit. This reg also says that an activity is not considered a hobby if profits result in any three of five consecutive tax years. But that does not mean that all actitivites that result in losses are hobbies. I think the IRS considers whether your intent is to make a profit and is shown by having a separate business bank account, business cards and activity such as sales calls. It is hard for me to believe busilding a windmill would be a hobby. Based on what you have told me I would report the loss. Also IRS reg 1-167 allows the deduction of the whole basis of deprecible property on form 4797 in the year it is abandoned so you may face that in the future.

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