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Business startup date & business startup expenses.

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Hello,

I am trying to determine the optimal starting date for my online business.

First of all, regarding business start up expenses, I don't understand what the point of business start up expenses are anyways.  Due to the section 179 deduction it seems like I could just expense everything right away anyways if I considered something an asset.

If I considered something a business expense, then I would be able to expense it right away anyways as well (just as a regular expense).  So what the [removed] is the point of the business startup deduction?

I could see maybe an issue if expenses to start the business before the starting date were different than expense after the starting date, but what is the IRS saying, that anything over 5,000 is supposed to be capitalized over time?  Even if it isn't an asset?  If that is the case it would be most optimal to start my business on the books as soon as possible, and then consider everything a business expense which means I could expense an infinite amount of expenses!

An example issue: I will be purchasing Microsoft Office, if I buy it after the start date, I could just consider it an asset and section 179 deduct it right away, or, if I bought it before the start date could I just do the same thing?  I.E. treat assets that were purchased before business start as a section 179 deduction?  Please someone clear up the confusion, even accountants I have talked to don't know the answers to these simple questions.  

And also, what qualifies me as being able to consider my business open?  Can I just set a date to anything I want that is around the time of business start?  Please help, thanks!

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First of all, your business has an effective date as of the date you notify some governmental agency you are starting business.  For example, if you file for a FEIN (Federal Tax Number), you must designate a starting date.  If you are required to get a business license (state or local) you are required to provide a start-date.  If you must get a sales-tax permit, you are required to have a start-date, and in the long run, they all better be the exact same date, because all of the governmental agencies share information from the IRS to the State Tax agency in your state.  In addition most banks will NOT give you a 'business account' until you have proof that your business has been registered with some governmental agency.  Most states require you to file a registration with either the State Tax Agency or Secretary of State even if you are just a sole proprietorship recording a DBA (name).  Many cities have business permits that are required for 'every' business.

Doing business is a lot more than just saying 'I am in business now', and starting to collect money. 

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 The start date of business is normally the date that your business was recognized by the state you are opening in. Sales tax license, etc. I will address your question about start up costs a little later.

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 Start up costs. You could set up a fixed asset account for all of your start up costs, a sub account for accumulated amortization and a sub account for original costs. See if this is what your accountant/tax preparer wants.

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 I understand that there are start up dates you put on various legal documents, but that is not the issue.  The issue is, WHAT DATE do you put on these documents?  I am waiting to get my LLC formation documents returned from the CA Secretary of State in which my business will be officially formed.  Everything else like getting the EIN comes later.  Can I set the start date of my business as the date that I filed the LLC formation documents?  Or the date that the CA Secretary of State stamps the formation document indicating the LLC is officially formed?  What date do you I use? (Yes I will always use the same date).

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I am wondering the same thing on the start up date. My question is why use that date? We are filing the forms using an online service, so I am not sure I will know what day they go to the SOS office. Also, if we will have start-up costs and operating expenses in 2010, but do not plan to start selling till January 2011, how will that start-up date affect our taxes?

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